[DDI-users] DDI-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 9
Sanda Ionescu
sandai at umich.edu
Tue Jul 24 11:17:39 EDT 2007
Hi,
Sorry but I have to clarify this again (I explained it in a previous
message).
This is not about examples, it's simply that the old tree structure was
done / updated by hand editing, and the person who introduced the tags
in question did not update it at that time.
Then, we got rid of the old "text" Tag Library, and now we are
generating it from the schema. The schema correctly included the said
tags, and displayed them, but we thought initially that they did not
belong there since they had not been present in the old (hand-edited)
tree structure. So we took them out from the schema. That was an error.
They need to be reinstated in the schema if they're not there, and
that's all.
As far as we know, there are no other errors.
Sanda.
Sanda Ionescu
ICPSR
University of Michigan
P.O. Box 1248
Ann Arbor, MI 48106
Phone, Fax: 734-615-7890
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2. Re: DDI-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5 (Reto Hadorn)
3. Re: DDI-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5 (Wendy Thomas)
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:51:53 +0200
From: "Fredy Kuhn" <fredy.kuhn at sidos.unine.ch>
Subject: Re: [DDI-users] DDI-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5
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Thanks Wendy,
I see. Concerning your proposal for a comprehensive review of the
examples: I wouldn't go so far. Of course a search for misleading
examples is useful, but I found them in general appropriate +
illustrative to/for what can be done with the elements in v2. - And I
won't keep you off from messing about with v3...
You can add us to the groups acting on DDI 2.1, and i'm in fact
completing a program interface using it, and bind those examples into my
application, as a helper for people who have to mark up studies.
You might wonder about this, as DDI-3 is on the way. Right. But this is
our productive environment, including a path to Nesstar ... Well I hope
to join the october training to become familiar with implementation +
usage of v3.
Freddy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wendy Thomas" <wlt at pop.umn.edu>
To: "Data Documentation Initiative Users Group"
<ddi-users at icpsr.umich.edu>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [DDI-users] DDI-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5
Freddy,
Ah I understand. This is an artifact of the old means of maintaining the
tag library (everything was separate and everything was done by hand).
Apparently the addition of these at the nation etc levels did not
generate
new examples in the Tag library which was a separate document. The
definition was pulled from the standard description of <concept> but the
examples were origianlly location specific. When we switched to an
automated process the examples were parsed out and all examples show at
any use of the element. Since there were no examples at these points,
none
were pulled.
What we probably need is a comprehensive review (click by click) to
identify were there are missing examples or disjointed descriptions.
Mary
Vardigan is currently out of town, but I'll send this to her and the
Expert committee chairs and see if they can organize a small group of
people to review and update this. I know there are a number of groups in
Canada and elsewhere that are just starting to work with DDI 2.1 and are
very reliant on the Tag Library.
Wendy
chair, Technical Implementation Committee
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, Fredy Kuhn wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> thanks to Mark Wendy Sanda for caring about it.
>
>> From what i see, the 'tree structure' doc is OK, but the 'whole
library' page needs to be completed, as well the description: if I click
on a <concept> link in the tree, say near <nation>, I get examples for
<var> and <nCubeGrp>, a bit confusing.
>
>
> P.S. If you deal with the 'whole library': Could you have an eye on
the header links ('Schema outline', etc) as well all attribute links
(ID,xml:lang,source). I think the links are somewhat odd, at least I had
to modify them in my local copy.
>
>
> Best regards, thank you
> Freddy
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wendy Thomas" <wlt at pop.umn.edu>
> To: "Data Documentation Initiative Users Group"
<ddi-users at icpsr.umich.edu>
> Cc: <mdiggory at mit.edu>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [DDI-users] DDI-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5
>
>
> Sanda,
>
> Thanks for checking into that. Will the tree be updated? I don't
remember
> if that is a machine or human generated item. If you're swamped I'd be
> happy to do this for you.
>
> Wendy
>
>
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, Sanda Ionescu wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> When we work with V 1/2 we typically consult the tree structure for
the
>> tags' presence, hierarchy, sequence, etc.
>> Whenever <text> and <concept> were added, whoever did it forgot to
add
>> them to the tree structure (that would have been a necessary step -
to
>> update the tree structure!).
>> So we never knew they existed, and that's why we may have asked you
to
>> remove them from the schema (the tree structure derived from the
schema
>> did not match the tree structure derived from the DTD, and we assumed
>> the latter was correct).
>> That was a while ago and I do not remember how we talked about this,
>> etc. Actually, I did not even remember that you had removed them from
>> the schema until I saw the message below.
>> Anyway, in the meantime I have checked, these are valid fields, as
>> stated in the DTD. So if you would like to reinstate them in the
schema,
>> that would be nice.
>> We are definitely NOT changing the DTD right now. Taking them out
would
>> be an invalidating change, and of course there are other reasons (V
2.1
>> needs to remain absolutely stable while we're messing about with V
3.0)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sanda.
>>
>> Sanda Ionescu
>> ICPSR
>> University of Michigan
>> P.O. Box 1248
>> Ann Arbor, MI 48106
>>
>> Phone, Fax: 734-615-7890
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>> 1. Re: DDI v2-1: elements TXT and CONCEPT (Mark Diggory)
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:46:04 -0400
>> From: Mark Diggory <mdiggory at MIT.EDU>
>> Subject: Re: [DDI-users] DDI v2-1: elements TXT and CONCEPT
>> To: Data Documentation Initiative Users Group
>> <ddi-users at icpsr.umich.edu>
>> Message-ID: <4EFA97EB-F8CF-413D-B19E-C8FE56D68B45 at mit.edu>
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>>
>> This appears to be a change that Matt Richardson and Sandra Ionescu
has
>> put into the schema (see revision 1.4 in the list.)
>>
>> http://ddi-alliance.cvs.sourceforge.net/ddi-alliance/ddi/w3c/
>> Version2-1.xsd?view=log
>>
>> Sanda and Matt, can you comment on this change in November 2005 which
>> appears to deviate from the DTD? I have a email archive that from
that
>> time period I've reviewed and not been able to determine if there was
>> discussion concerning it? Was there consideration if this is an
error
>> in the DTD technical Implementation of the Specification as well? Or
was
>> this even an appropriate change to have made in the w3c Schema
>> implementation?
>>
>> -Mark
>>
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Wendy Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> For DDI 2.1 the cannonical version is the DTD. I will ask the guys
>>> handling this on the SRG to look into the problem and get back to
the
>>> list. (they may be doing it already :)
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, Fredy Kuhn wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I have a problem with the usage of sub element pairs 'txt' -
>>>> 'concept' in DDI 2-1:
>>>>
>>>> The web pages 'Tree Structure' (*) and 'Whole Library' (**) display
>>>> in DDI section 2 several of these pairs; example:
>>>> <dataKind> 2.2.3.10.
>>>>
>>>> In schema 2-1, and according to Sourceforge history (***), these
>>>> sub-elements were removed from study description elements, see
>>>> revision 1.4:
>>>>
>>>> --- QUOTE ---
>>>>
>>>> The <txt> - <concept> pair illegally appears under <nation>,
>>>> <geogCover>, <geogUnit>, <anlyUnit>, <universe>, <dataKind>,
>>>> <timeMeth>, <sampProc>, <collMode>, <resInstru> in Study Desc.,
also
>>>> under <universe> 4.1.5 ... ...
>>>>
>>>> !!!----- <txt> and <concept> are VALID FIELDS under <varGrp>
>>>> (4.1.2 and 4.1.3) and nCubeGrp (4.2.2 and 4.2.3) --------- !!!
>>>>
>>>> --- QUOTE END ---
>>>>
>>>> Thus, the TXT and CONCEPT tags are valid in DTD2.1, but not in
>>>> schema2-1. Should we use them or not?
>>>>
>>>> Further more, by removing the sub-element <concept> from e.g.
>>>> <datakind> or <sampProc>, how to markup the usage of a controlled
>>>> vocabulary?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (*) Tree structure:
>>>> http://www.ddialliance.org/DDI/dtd/version2-1-tree.html
>>>>
>>>> (**) Whole library:
>>>> http://www.ddialliance.org/DDI/dtd/version2-1-all.html
>>>>
>>>> (***) Sourceforge DTD v2.1 (see revision 1.4):
>>>> http://ddi-alliance.cvs.sourceforge.net/ddi-alliance/ddi/w3c/
>>>> Version2-1.xsd?view=log
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW: Looking at DDI-3, I'm asking me how elements for which we use
a
>>>> controlled vocabulary (CV), e.g. 'data collection mode', should be
>>>> marked up, i.e. how to specify the CV. Could one of the 'experts'
>>>> give me a hint? I'm not yet too familiar with DDI-3.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> freddy
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:23:14 +0200
From: Reto Hadorn <reto.hadorn at sidos.unine.ch>
Subject: Re: [DDI-users] DDI-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5
To: Data Documentation Initiative Users Group
<ddi-users at icpsr.umich.edu>
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Hallo Fredy,
Das ist ein sch?n intensives Gespr?ch! Bringt ein
bisschen Klarheit, obwohl der Bezug zu den CV in
Attributen damit nicht gekl?rt ist.
A propos: was meinst Du mit "messing about with
v3"? Frag mal Stefan, was 'mess' heisst...
Ein sch?ner Tag!
Reto
At 23.07.2007, you wrote:
>Thanks Wendy,
>
>I see. Concerning your proposal for a
>comprehensive review of the examples: I wouldn't
>go so far. Of course a search for misleading
>examples is useful, but I found them in general
>appropriate + illustrative to/for what can be
>done with the elements in v2. - And I won't keep
>you off from messing about with v3...
>
>You can add us to the groups acting on DDI 2.1,
>and i'm in fact completing a program interface
>using it, and bind those examples into my
>application, as a helper for people who have to mark up studies.
>
>You might wonder about this, as DDI-3 is on the
>way. Right. But this is our productive
>environment, including a path to Nesstar ...
>Well I hope to join the october training to
>become familiar with implementation + usage of v3.
>
>
>Freddy
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wendy Thomas" <wlt at pop.umn.edu>
>To: "Data Documentation Initiative Users Group"
<ddi-users at icpsr.umich.edu>
>Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:11 PM
>Subject: Re: [DDI-users] DDI-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5
>
>
>Freddy,
>
>Ah I understand. This is an artifact of the old means of maintaining
the
>tag library (everything was separate and everything was done by hand).
>Apparently the addition of these at the nation etc levels did not
generate
>new examples in the Tag library which was a separate document. The
>definition was pulled from the standard description of <concept> but
the
>examples were origianlly location specific. When we switched to an
>automated process the examples were parsed out and all examples show at
>any use of the element. Since there were no examples at these points,
none
>were pulled.
>
>What we probably need is a comprehensive review (click by click) to
>identify were there are missing examples or disjointed descriptions.
Mary
>Vardigan is currently out of town, but I'll send this to her and the
>Expert committee chairs and see if they can organize a small group of
>people to review and update this. I know there are a number of groups
in
>Canada and elsewhere that are just starting to work with DDI 2.1 and
are
>very reliant on the Tag Library.
>
>Wendy
>chair, Technical Implementation Committee
>
>
>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, Fredy Kuhn wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > thanks to Mark Wendy Sanda for caring about it.
> >
> >> From what i see, the 'tree structure' doc is
> OK, but the 'whole library' page needs to be
> completed, as well the description: if I click
> on a <concept> link in the tree, say near
> <nation>, I get examples for <var> and <nCubeGrp>, a bit confusing.
> >
> >
> > P.S. If you deal with the 'whole library':
> Could you have an eye on the header links
> ('Schema outline', etc) as well all attribute
> links (ID,xml:lang,source). I think the links
> are somewhat odd, at least I had to modify them in my local copy.
> >
> >
> > Best regards, thank you
> > Freddy
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wendy Thomas" <wlt at pop.umn.edu>
> > To: "Data Documentation Initiative Users Group"
<ddi-users at icpsr.umich.edu>
> > Cc: <mdiggory at mit.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DDI-users] DDI-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5
> >
> >
> > Sanda,
> >
> > Thanks for checking into that. Will the tree be updated? I don't
remember
> > if that is a machine or human generated item. If you're swamped I'd
be
> > happy to do this for you.
> >
> > Wendy
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, Sanda Ionescu wrote:
> >
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> When we work with V 1/2 we typically consult the tree structure for
the
> >> tags' presence, hierarchy, sequence, etc.
> >> Whenever <text> and <concept> were added, whoever did it forgot to
add
> >> them to the tree structure (that would have been a necessary step -
to
> >> update the tree structure!).
> >> So we never knew they existed, and that's why we may have asked you
to
> >> remove them from the schema (the tree structure derived from the
schema
> >> did not match the tree structure derived from the DTD, and we
assumed
> >> the latter was correct).
> >> That was a while ago and I do not remember how we talked about
this,
> >> etc. Actually, I did not even remember that you had removed them
from
> >> the schema until I saw the message below.
> >> Anyway, in the meantime I have checked, these are valid fields, as
> >> stated in the DTD. So if you would like to reinstate them in the
schema,
> >> that would be nice.
> >> We are definitely NOT changing the DTD right now. Taking them out
would
> >> be an invalidating change, and of course there are other reasons (V
2.1
> >> needs to remain absolutely stable while we're messing about with V
3.0)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Sanda.
> >>
> >> Sanda Ionescu
> >> ICPSR
> >> University of Michigan
> >> P.O. Box 1248
> >> Ann Arbor, MI 48106
> >>
> >> Phone, Fax: 734-615-7890
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ddi-users-bounces at icpsr.umich.edu
> >> [mailto:ddi-users-bounces at icpsr.umich.edu] On Behalf Of
> >> ddi-users-request at icpsr.umich.edu
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:00 PM
> >> To: ddi-users at icpsr.umich.edu
> >> Subject: DDI-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5
> >>
> >> Send DDI-users mailing list submissions to
> >> ddi-users at icpsr.umich.edu
> >>
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> >> ddi-users-request at icpsr.umich.edu
> >>
> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >> ddi-users-owner at icpsr.umich.edu
> >>
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than
> >> "Re: Contents of DDI-users digest..."
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >> 1. Re: DDI v2-1: elements TXT and CONCEPT (Mark Diggory)
> >>
> >>
> >>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:46:04 -0400
> >> From: Mark Diggory <mdiggory at MIT.EDU>
> >> Subject: Re: [DDI-users] DDI v2-1: elements TXT and CONCEPT
> >> To: Data Documentation Initiative Users Group
> >> <ddi-users at icpsr.umich.edu>
> >> Message-ID: <4EFA97EB-F8CF-413D-B19E-C8FE56D68B45 at mit.edu>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes;
format=flowed
> >>
> >> This appears to be a change that Matt Richardson and Sandra Ionescu
has
> >> put into the schema (see revision 1.4 in the list.)
> >>
> >> http://ddi-alliance.cvs.sourceforge.net/ddi-alliance/ddi/w3c/
> >> Version2-1.xsd?view=log
> >>
> >> Sanda and Matt, can you comment on this change in November 2005
which
> >> appears to deviate from the DTD? I have a email archive that from
that
> >> time period I've reviewed and not been able to determine if there
was
> >> discussion concerning it? Was there consideration if this is an
error
> >> in the DTD technical Implementation of the Specification as well?
Or was
> >> this even an appropriate change to have made in the w3c Schema
> >> implementation?
> >>
> >> -Mark
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 12, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Wendy Thomas wrote:
> >>
> >>> For DDI 2.1 the cannonical version is the DTD. I will ask the guys
> >>> handling this on the SRG to look into the problem and get back to
the
> >>> list. (they may be doing it already :)
> >>>
> >>> Wendy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, Fredy Kuhn wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a problem with the usage of sub element pairs 'txt' -
> >>>> 'concept' in DDI 2-1:
> >>>>
> >>>> The web pages 'Tree Structure' (*) and 'Whole Library' (**)
display
> >>>> in DDI section 2 several of these pairs; example:
> >>>> <dataKind> 2.2.3.10.
> >>>>
> >>>> In schema 2-1, and according to Sourceforge history (***), these
> >>>> sub-elements were removed from study description elements, see
> >>>> revision 1.4:
> >>>>
> >>>> --- QUOTE ---
> >>>>
> >>>> The <txt> - <concept> pair illegally appears under <nation>,
> >>>> <geogCover>, <geogUnit>, <anlyUnit>, <universe>, <dataKind>,
> >>>> <timeMeth>, <sampProc>, <collMode>, <resInstru> in Study Desc.,
also
> >>>> under <universe> 4.1.5 ... ...
> >>>>
> >>>> !!!----- <txt> and <concept> are VALID FIELDS under <varGrp>
> >>>> (4.1.2 and 4.1.3) and nCubeGrp (4.2.2 and 4.2.3) --------- !!!
> >>>>
> >>>> --- QUOTE END ---
> >>>>
> >>>> Thus, the TXT and CONCEPT tags are valid in DTD2.1, but not in
> >>>> schema2-1. Should we use them or not?
> >>>>
> >>>> Further more, by removing the sub-element <concept> from e.g.
> >>>> <datakind> or <sampProc>, how to markup the usage of a controlled
> >>>> vocabulary?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> (*) Tree structure:
> >>>> http://www.ddialliance.org/DDI/dtd/version2-1-tree.html
> >>>>
> >>>> (**) Whole library:
> >>>> http://www.ddialliance.org/DDI/dtd/version2-1-all.html
> >>>>
> >>>> (***) Sourceforge DTD v2.1 (see revision 1.4):
> >>>> http://ddi-alliance.cvs.sourceforge.net/ddi-alliance/ddi/w3c/
> >>>> Version2-1.xsd?view=log
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW: Looking at DDI-3, I'm asking me how elements for which we
use a
> >>>> controlled vocabulary (CV), e.g. 'data collection mode', should
be
> >>>> marked up, i.e. how to specify the CV. Could one of the 'experts'
> >>>> give me a hint? I'm not yet too familiar with DDI-3.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards
> >>>> freddy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> DDI-users mailing list
> >>>> DDI-users at icpsr.umich.edu
> >>>> http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/mailman/listinfo/ddi-users
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Wendy L. Thomas Phone: +1 612.624.4389
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:04:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Wendy Thomas <wlt at pop.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: [DDI-users] DDI-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5
To: Data Documentation Initiative Users Group
<ddi-users at icpsr.umich.edu>
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Freddy,
One more item way down at the bottom of your original email you asked
about the following: How do elements with controlled vocabularies in
3.0,
e.g. data collection mode, get marked up? How do you specify the
controlled vocabulary?
My understanding is that we added a provision for local definitions of
controlled vocabularies, but I will need to get Arofan or J to provide
an
explanation of how this works. If necessary I will file a bug on this to
get it into the field level documentation. Many locations for controlled
vocabularies have been left as simple strings. We did not feel like we
could provide accurate and complete lists for many of these. I believe
there is a workgroup being considered on the topic of Controlled
Vocabularies. We tried to identify where they were needed, but did not
provide all of the content for them.
Wendy
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, Fredy Kuhn wrote:
>
> Thanks Wendy,
>
> I see. Concerning your proposal for a comprehensive review of the
examples: I wouldn't go so far. Of course a search for misleading
examples is useful, but I found them in general appropriate +
illustrative to/for what can be done with the elements in v2. - And I
won't keep you off from messing about with v3...
>
> You can add us to the groups acting on DDI 2.1, and i'm in fact
completing a program interface using it, and bind those examples into my
application, as a helper for people who have to mark up studies.
>
> You might wonder about this, as DDI-3 is on the way. Right. But this
is our productive environment, including a path to Nesstar ... Well I
hope to join the october training to become familiar with implementation
+ usage of v3.
>
>
> Freddy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wendy Thomas" <wlt at pop.umn.edu>
> To: "Data Documentation Initiative Users Group"
<ddi-users at icpsr.umich.edu>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [DDI-users] DDI-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5
>
>
> Freddy,
>
> Ah I understand. This is an artifact of the old means of maintaining
the
> tag library (everything was separate and everything was done by hand).
> Apparently the addition of these at the nation etc levels did not
generate
> new examples in the Tag library which was a separate document. The
> definition was pulled from the standard description of <concept> but
the
> examples were origianlly location specific. When we switched to an
> automated process the examples were parsed out and all examples show
at
> any use of the element. Since there were no examples at these points,
none
> were pulled.
>
> What we probably need is a comprehensive review (click by click) to
> identify were there are missing examples or disjointed descriptions.
Mary
> Vardigan is currently out of town, but I'll send this to her and the
> Expert committee chairs and see if they can organize a small group of
> people to review and update this. I know there are a number of groups
in
> Canada and elsewhere that are just starting to work with DDI 2.1 and
are
> very reliant on the Tag Library.
>
> Wendy
> chair, Technical Implementation Committee
>
>
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, Fredy Kuhn wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> thanks to Mark Wendy Sanda for caring about it.
>>
>>> From what i see, the 'tree structure' doc is OK, but the 'whole
library' page needs to be completed, as well the description: if I click
on a <concept> link in the tree, say near <nation>, I get examples for
<var> and <nCubeGrp>, a bit confusing.
>>
>>
>> P.S. If you deal with the 'whole library': Could you have an eye on
the header links ('Schema outline', etc) as well all attribute links
(ID,xml:lang,source). I think the links are somewhat odd, at least I had
to modify them in my local copy.
>>
>>
>> Best regards, thank you
>> Freddy
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Wendy Thomas" <wlt at pop.umn.edu>
>> To: "Data Documentation Initiative Users Group"
<ddi-users at icpsr.umich.edu>
>> Cc: <mdiggory at mit.edu>
>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DDI-users] DDI-users Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5
>>
>>
>> Sanda,
>>
>> Thanks for checking into that. Will the tree be updated? I don't
remember
>> if that is a machine or human generated item. If you're swamped I'd
be
>> happy to do this for you.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, Sanda Ionescu wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> When we work with V 1/2 we typically consult the tree structure for
the
>>> tags' presence, hierarchy, sequence, etc.
>>> Whenever <text> and <concept> were added, whoever did it forgot to
add
>>> them to the tree structure (that would have been a necessary step -
to
>>> update the tree structure!).
>>> So we never knew they existed, and that's why we may have asked you
to
>>> remove them from the schema (the tree structure derived from the
schema
>>> did not match the tree structure derived from the DTD, and we
assumed
>>> the latter was correct).
>>> That was a while ago and I do not remember how we talked about this,
>>> etc. Actually, I did not even remember that you had removed them
from
>>> the schema until I saw the message below.
>>> Anyway, in the meantime I have checked, these are valid fields, as
>>> stated in the DTD. So if you would like to reinstate them in the
schema,
>>> that would be nice.
>>> We are definitely NOT changing the DTD right now. Taking them out
would
>>> be an invalidating change, and of course there are other reasons (V
2.1
>>> needs to remain absolutely stable while we're messing about with V
3.0)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sanda.
>>>
>>> Sanda Ionescu
>>> ICPSR
>>> University of Michigan
>>> P.O. Box 1248
>>> Ann Arbor, MI 48106
>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:46:04 -0400
>>> From: Mark Diggory <mdiggory at MIT.EDU>
>>> Subject: Re: [DDI-users] DDI v2-1: elements TXT and CONCEPT
>>> To: Data Documentation Initiative Users Group
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>>>
>>> This appears to be a change that Matt Richardson and Sandra Ionescu
has
>>> put into the schema (see revision 1.4 in the list.)
>>>
>>> http://ddi-alliance.cvs.sourceforge.net/ddi-alliance/ddi/w3c/
>>> Version2-1.xsd?view=log
>>>
>>> Sanda and Matt, can you comment on this change in November 2005
which
>>> appears to deviate from the DTD? I have a email archive that from
that
>>> time period I've reviewed and not been able to determine if there
was
>>> discussion concerning it? Was there consideration if this is an
error
>>> in the DTD technical Implementation of the Specification as well? Or
was
>>> this even an appropriate change to have made in the w3c Schema
>>> implementation?
>>>
>>> -Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Wendy Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>>> For DDI 2.1 the cannonical version is the DTD. I will ask the guys
>>>> handling this on the SRG to look into the problem and get back to
the
>>>> list. (they may be doing it already :)
>>>>
>>>> Wendy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, Fredy Kuhn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a problem with the usage of sub element pairs 'txt' -
>>>>> 'concept' in DDI 2-1:
>>>>>
>>>>> The web pages 'Tree Structure' (*) and 'Whole Library' (**)
display
>>>>> in DDI section 2 several of these pairs; example:
>>>>> <dataKind> 2.2.3.10.
>>>>>
>>>>> In schema 2-1, and according to Sourceforge history (***), these
>>>>> sub-elements were removed from study description elements, see
>>>>> revision 1.4:
>>>>>
>>>>> --- QUOTE ---
>>>>>
>>>>> The <txt> - <concept> pair illegally appears under <nation>,
>>>>> <geogCover>, <geogUnit>, <anlyUnit>, <universe>, <dataKind>,
>>>>> <timeMeth>, <sampProc>, <collMode>, <resInstru> in Study Desc.,
also
>>>>> under <universe> 4.1.5 ... ...
>>>>>
>>>>> !!!----- <txt> and <concept> are VALID FIELDS under <varGrp>
>>>>> (4.1.2 and 4.1.3) and nCubeGrp (4.2.2 and 4.2.3) --------- !!!
>>>>>
>>>>> --- QUOTE END ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus, the TXT and CONCEPT tags are valid in DTD2.1, but not in
>>>>> schema2-1. Should we use them or not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Further more, by removing the sub-element <concept> from e.g.
>>>>> <datakind> or <sampProc>, how to markup the usage of a controlled
>>>>> vocabulary?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (*) Tree structure:
>>>>> http://www.ddialliance.org/DDI/dtd/version2-1-tree.html
>>>>>
>>>>> (**) Whole library:
>>>>> http://www.ddialliance.org/DDI/dtd/version2-1-all.html
>>>>>
>>>>> (***) Sourceforge DTD v2.1 (see revision 1.4):
>>>>> http://ddi-alliance.cvs.sourceforge.net/ddi-alliance/ddi/w3c/
>>>>> Version2-1.xsd?view=log
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW: Looking at DDI-3, I'm asking me how elements for which we use
a
>>>>> controlled vocabulary (CV), e.g. 'data collection mode', should be
>>>>> marked up, i.e. how to specify the CV. Could one of the 'experts'
>>>>> give me a hint? I'm not yet too familiar with DDI-3.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> freddy
>>>>>
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>>>> Wendy L. Thomas Phone: +1 612.624.4389
>>>> Data Access Core Director Fax: +1 612.626.8375
>>>> Minnesota Population Center Email: wlt at pop.umn.edu
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