<div dir="ltr">Below<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Wackerow, Joachim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Joachim.Wackerow@gesis.org" target="_blank">Joachim.Wackerow@gesis.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thank you for the quick answer.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I have still a couple of comments and questions, see below.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wendy Thomas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 19. November 2014 19:23<br>
<b>To:</b> Data Documentation Initiative Users Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DDI-users] Questions related to QuestionGrid<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Wackerow, Joachim <<a href="mailto:Joachim.Wackerow@gesis.org" target="_blank">Joachim.Wackerow@gesis.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I looked at a use case of the ESS (European Social Survey) round 6 questionnaire. Now I have some questions and comments related to QuestionGrid.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">With some of them I’m pushing probably the limits of the current approach in 3.2.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Any thoughts on the questions and comments would be appreciated.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. Resulting variables<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">One use case is that each question (i.e. row) in a grid results in a variable. The variable can only reference the whole QuestionGrid, but not the individual question. This is not
really satisfying.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Are there any other possibilities?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is the reason for In/Out Parameters and generation instructions that support the distribution of looped questions or grid response arrays. The variable can reference a generation instruction and define the binding as well as the item
in the array that it uses. See examples created at Dagstuhl training this year. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">[JW] I’m not sure which examples you mean. The whole approach with In/Out Parameters for the purpose to make a relation from a variable to a piece of
a question grid seems to be quite complicated. Please elaborate on this, also regarding the related (3) with question number.<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">(the source questionnaire is still in PAPI, other modes may use other numbers)<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. Reuse of single questions in a grid<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A single question in a grid (or a subset of a grid) could be reused in another grid or as single question (this happens sometimes in new waves of the same survey). But questions
in a grid are realized as CodeScheme/CategoryScheme. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A single code could be referenced to reuse the Code/Category as question in another context, but this seems to be awkward. Did I miss something?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is the "question" a part of dimension CodeList or a response domain? each can be reused as needed. Note that any use of a CodeList can be limited to a level, range or object.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">[JW] I think I meant the use case where real/complete questions are in the rows of the grid. An individual question could be used as a single question
in another context.<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Maybe this is then not a real grid but a collection of multiple question items (like in 3.1). What should then be used in 3.2 for this purpose?</span></i></b><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>I happened to be on the Data Capture call today as they needed a convener. We talked about this a bit as well as issues of differentiating within a question text what is "introductory" but necessary to the question and what is the "inquiry". As to the above, if each line is an understandable question in itself then my assumption is that this is a sequence of question items. If they are understandable questions then are they really bound by a common single question or an instruction to say rate them on a scale or something like that.</div><div><br></div><div>If the "questions" are really specifications of a single question that is required to make sense then in 3.2 they should be a grid, using the codelist with categories to specify. The first case above (real understandable questions) should really be done as sequences in both 3.1 and 3.2 as the MultipleQuestionItem in 3.1 was designed to handle only very simple girds, not as a means of bundling (sequencing) questions. Of course people used it however they wished.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How can QuestionGrids be reused and a question number be assigned to each individual question (in a row)?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Once again, the same way any question is reused. The path of the data can be defined by In Out parameters, a Generation Instruction and a Variable defining the binding between the out parameter of the question construct and the in parameter
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<p class="MsoNormal">4. Alternative to QuestionGrid<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In the use case (mentioned below), a QuestionGroup could be another option. Then the issues 1-3 from above can be solved. The semantics are a little different.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A workaround could be to use a QuestionGrid which refers by BasedOnObject to the QuestionGroup.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Question Groups are administrative objects and cannot be used as the content of a QuestionConstruct. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">[JW] OK. How can then MultipleQuestionItem (3.1) be replaced beside with QuestionGrid</span></i></b><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>If its was used only to bundle questions in a sequence then it should be handled as a sequence. This was, in fact, raised during the meetings discussing the new question structures which included ABS, INSEE, and others. The answer then as now is that the sequencing of questions has always been expressed as the control construct Sequence.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div><div><div><div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:4.8pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">5. Dimensions in a grid<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I looked at the example (slide 14, 15) in the EDDI13 presentation “To 3.2 or Not to 3.2? That is the Question” at
<a href="http://www.eddi-conferences.eu/ocs/index.php/eddi/EDDI13/paper/view/117" target="_blank">
http://www.eddi-conferences.eu/ocs/index.php/eddi/EDDI13/paper/view/117</a>.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The slide can show only a XML fragment. Now I’m wondering how “Older than Patient” and “Younger than patient” are realized, when “Number still alive” would be rank 1 (is rank 2
not the appropriate solution?).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Related question: How can it be described when one dimension has a different type of response domain than the grid? A GridDimension can have only a CodeDomain.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">[JW] Sorry, I made apparently two topics with (5). Do you have comments on this?</span></i></b></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>The CodeDomain represents the content of the dimension in the same way that a variable is used to describe an NCube dimension. The actual response. Actual response domains for the data captured can be assigned to individual cells in the grid so that I can collect multiple types of data from a single grid (code, numeric, text, etc.). I'm sure I have examples from INSEE but I'm on vacation today so I'll have to dig them out later. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div><div><div><div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:4.8pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">5. Misleading semantics regarding questions in a grid?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The individual questions in a grid are not realized as QuestionItem but as Code/Category. The semantics seem to be wrong. Why was the use of QuestionItem not possible? This would
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<p class="MsoNormal">6. Mix of representational and structural information?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m not really clear about this. But my impression is that there is not a clear distinction between structural and representational information.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There seem to be multiple levels (in the use case below):<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>-<span style="font-size:7pt"> </span>The atomic level of an item (in the grid), like a question or an answer category.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>-<span style="font-size:7pt"> </span>The compound object of question and answer categories.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>-<span style="font-size:7pt"> </span>The question sequence (in a grid) with the same answer categories.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>-<span style="font-size:7pt"> </span>Some representational/rendering information (for example the answer categories are not repeated but only mentioned at the top). This could be differently arranged in different modes.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are those looking at 4 that say all grids could be defined as loops. We need to look at this further as the response of INSEE staff to this suggestion (who use grids extensively) was a definite shudder.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is probably more an issue for DDI 4 and will need some further analysis.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Reference:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">ESS round 6 questionnaire<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Page 5, starting with “CARD 5 Using this card, please tell me on a score of 0-10 how much you” in the document at:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.europeansocialsurvey.org/docs/round6/fieldwork/source/ESS6_source_main_questionnaire.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.europeansocialsurvey.org/docs/round6/fieldwork/source/ESS6_source_main_questionnaire.pdf</a>.<u></u><u></u></p>
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