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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I would understand ‘identifier’ as identification of an instance of the Activity class but not as reference to another object. This might be confusing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think we could live with the full-fledged Reference. The use of this class needs anyway documentation including some examples. The implementers could drop some Reference attributes
depending from the use case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> ddi-srg-bounces@icpsr.umich.edu <ddi-srg-bounces@icpsr.umich.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Flavio Rizzolo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sonntag, 22. August 2021 10:16<br>
<b>To:</b> A. G. <ilg21@yahoo.com>; DDI Structural Reform Working Group. <ddi-srg@icpsr.umich.edu>; Hoyle, Larry <larryhoyle@ku.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DDI-SRG] [CDI] Questions about ControlledVocabularyEntry, PairedControlledVocabularyEntry and Reference<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Ok.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>BTW, I think I will just drop the idea of NativeReference as a superclass of Reference, I don't think I can untangle Reference and ControlledVocabularyEntry in any meaningful way, this requires more thinking than the one it can be done before the release.
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<p>I just want a simple mechanism to reference an object and its type. How about just using Identifier? It doesn't include the type, but it's not necessary in the particular case of the Process model since it can refer to any identifiable object. It will be
something like this:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>At this point I think it's either this or the full-fledged Reference. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Flavio<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2021-08-21 9:04 p.m., A. G. wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">I agree with Larry on this one - that seems right to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 03:03:04 AM GMT+2, Hoyle, Larry
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I think you are on the right track with using Reference instead of PairedControlledVocabularyEntry. Reference didn’t exist when Activity was modeled.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">standardModelUsed with datatype Reference would have:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">vocabulary as a reference to GSBPM (<a href="https://statswiki.unece.org/display/GSBPM/GSBPM+v5.1" target="_blank">https://statswiki.unece.org/display/GSBPM/GSBPM+v5.1</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">controlledVocabuaryName as “GSBPM”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">entryValue as the name of the sub step “1.1 Identify Needs”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">entryReference as a Reference to the sub step (<a href="https://statswiki.unece.org/display/GSBPM/1.1+Identify+needs" target="_blank">https://statswiki.unece.org/display/GSBPM/1.1+Identify+needs</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> Flavio Rizzolo
<a href="mailto:flavio.rizzolo@gmail.com"><flavio.rizzolo@gmail.com></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 21, 2021 5:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hoyle, Larry <a href="mailto:larryhoyle@ku.edu"><larryhoyle@ku.edu></a>; DDI Structural Reform Working Group.
<a href="mailto:ddi-srg@icpsr.umich.edu"><ddi-srg@icpsr.umich.edu></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DDI-SRG] [CDI] Questions about ControlledVocabularyEntry, PairedControlledVocabularyEntry and Reference<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I saw the definition, it's just that it doesn't seem to align with its use in Activity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">standardModelUsed is defined as
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<p><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">"If a standard process model such as The Generic Statistical Business Process Model (GSBPN), the Generic Longitudinal Business Process Model (GLBPM), Open Archive Information
System model (OAIS), etc. has been related to this business process, the model and step or sub-step is noted here using the Paired External Controlled Vocabulary Entry.
</span></i><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0080FF">Enter the name of the model in "term" and the step, sub-step, or specific portion of the model in "extent"</span></i></b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">.</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">That seems to align better with Reference than with PairedControlledVocabularyEntry, since we need to refer to a schema, e.g. "GSBPM", and then to an element in the schema, e.g.
"edit & imputation". I don't see how to map "GSBPM" to term and "edit & imputation" to extent...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Flavio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On 2021-08-21 6:09 p.m., Hoyle, Larry wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">term is a ControlledVocabularyEntry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">extent is a degree of the term. It has the description:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">“Describes the extent to which the parent term applies for the specific case using an external controlled vocabulary. When associated with a role
from the CASRAI Contributor Roles Taxonomy an appropriate vocabulary should be specified as either ‘lead’, ‘equal’, or ‘supporting’.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">In the example from the Credit taxonomy one could be credited as being the “lead” conceptualizer, or “equal”, or “supporting”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">This was done to disambiguate the use of author order in citing contributors. In some disciplines the first author is the lead. In others the head
of a larger project might be listed last.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> Flavio Rizzolo
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 21, 2021 4:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hoyle, Larry <a href="mailto:larryhoyle@ku.edu" target="_blank"><larryhoyle@ku.edu></a>; DDI Structural Reform Working Group.
<a href="mailto:ddi-srg@icpsr.umich.edu" target="_blank"><ddi-srg@icpsr.umich.edu></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DDI-SRG] [CDI] Questions about ControlledVocabularyEntry, PairedControlledVocabularyEntry and Reference<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Oh, I see what you mean. I'll fix that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Ok, so vocabulary is a "Reference", not a "String". I'll fix that too.<br>
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Back to my last question: how is the use of "entryReference" and "entryValue" in the example different from "extent" and "term" in PairedControlledVocabulary?<br>
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Other questions:<br>
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- CatalogDetail: This structured data type has no definition, no subclasses and no structure. What is it? How can it be used in its current state?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">- DataPoint: Why does it have now a catalogDetails attribute? Why DataPoint and not DataSet or other classes in Data Description? The use of CatalogDetails is unclear<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">ControlledVocabularyEntry should be able to reference an entry outside of DDI. So that entryReference should be Reference, not Native Reference.
It would be better to ditch the inheritance of ControlledVocabularyEntry from NativeControlledVocabularyEntry and just have a separate ControlledVocabularyEntry with all of the properties it has below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Here is an example.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">vocabulary is a reference to
<a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcredit.niso.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Clarryhoyle%40ku.edu%7C2cc65b45ad514c59087e08d964f583da%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637651827913948113%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=A5gBJdcJR7eESx4%2FokMdXNGAqiWHMvLhRaxHcNz2tcw%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
http://credit.niso.org/</a> the Credit Taxonomy (via the uri of Reference)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">controlledVocabularyName is “the Credit Taxonomy”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">entryReference is
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http://credit.niso.org/contributor-roles/conceptualization/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv7610018151msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">entryValue is “Conceptualization”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Flavio Rizzolo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 21, 2021 4:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DDI Structural Reform Working Group. <a href="mailto:ddi-srg@icpsr.umich.edu" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> [DDI-SRG] [CDI] Questions about ControlledVocabularyEntry, PairedControlledVocabularyEntry and Reference<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Hi,
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">These are the new Native classes, with the old classes as extensions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">We can always define attributes of type NativeControlledVocabularyEntry and NativeReference, which will allow us to use the full-fledged list of attributes from the sub-classes
if necessary. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">With that in mind:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">1) shouldn't we then change the type of the attributes in PairedControlledVocabulary to NativeControlledVocabularyEntry?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">2) What's exactly "vocabulary" in ControlledVocabularyEntry? How is it used?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">3) Actually, how do we really use these things? I understand how the Native classes work, but now it seems Reference might be used to reference a term and an extent, like PairedControlledVocabularyEntry,
but in a different way. I think there was an example somewhere that help people made sense of all this, but I can't find it, and I fear we are making a mistake somewhere... So many cross references between classes are making me dizzy...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Flavio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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