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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Flavio:</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I agree with Larry on this one - that seems right to me.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Cheers,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Arofan</div><div><br></div>
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On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 03:03:04 AM GMT+2, Hoyle, Larry <larryhoyle@ku.edu> wrote:
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">I think you are on the right track with using Reference instead of PairedControlledVocabularyEntry. Reference didn’t exist when Activity was modeled.</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">standardModelUsed with datatype Reference would have:</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">vocabulary as a reference to GSBPM (<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://statswiki.unece.org/display/GSBPM/GSBPM+v5.1">https://statswiki.unece.org/display/GSBPM/GSBPM+v5.1</a>)</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">controlledVocabuaryName as “GSBPM”</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">entryValue as the name of the sub step “1.1 Identify Needs”</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">entryReference as a Reference to the sub step (<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://statswiki.unece.org/display/GSBPM/1.1+Identify+needs">https://statswiki.unece.org/display/GSBPM/1.1+Identify+needs</a>)</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Flavio Rizzolo <flavio.rizzolo@gmail.com> <br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 21, 2021 5:46 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Hoyle, Larry <larryhoyle@ku.edu>; DDI Structural Reform Working Group. <ddi-srg@icpsr.umich.edu><br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DDI-SRG] [CDI] Questions about ControlledVocabularyEntry, PairedControlledVocabularyEntry and Reference</p>
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<p>I saw the definition, it's just that it doesn't seem to align with its use in Activity</p>
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<p>standardModelUsed is defined as </p>
<p><i>"If a standard process model such as The Generic Statistical Business Process Model (GSBPN), the Generic Longitudinal Business Process Model (GLBPM), Open Archive Information System model (OAIS), etc. has been related to this business process, the model
and step or sub-step is noted here using the Paired External Controlled Vocabulary Entry.
<b><span style="color:#0080FF;">Enter the name of the model in "term" and the step, sub-step, or specific portion of the model in "extent"</span></b>.</i></p>
<p>That seems to align better with Reference than with PairedControlledVocabularyEntry, since we need to refer to a schema, e.g. "GSBPM", and then to an element in the schema, e.g. "edit & imputation". I don't see how to map "GSBPM" to term and "edit & imputation"
to extent...</p>
<p>Flavio</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">On 2021-08-21 6:09 p.m., Hoyle, Larry wrote:</p>
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<div class="yiv7610018151yqt8401484237" id="yiv7610018151yqt42894"><p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">term is a ControlledVocabularyEntry</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">extent is a degree of the term. It has the description:</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">“Describes the extent to which the parent term applies for the specific case using an external controlled vocabulary. When associated with a role from the CASRAI Contributor Roles Taxonomy an appropriate vocabulary should be specified as
either ‘lead’, ‘equal’, or ‘supporting’.”</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">In the example from the Credit taxonomy one could be credited as being the “lead” conceptualizer, or “equal”, or “supporting”.</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcredit.niso.org%2Fimplementing-credit%2F&data=04%7C01%7Clarryhoyle%40ku.edu%7C2cc65b45ad514c59087e08d964f583da%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637651827913948113%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=wkUlxIC%2Ffj%2FvcztAA3y5U76NBW4LV0C3AfWn6VY271E%3D&reserved=0">http://credit.niso.org/implementing-credit/</a></p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">This was done to disambiguate the use of author order in citing contributors. In some disciplines the first author is the lead. In others the head of a larger project might be listed last.</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">Larry</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Flavio Rizzolo <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:flavio.rizzolo@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:flavio.rizzolo@gmail.com">
<flavio.rizzolo@gmail.com></a> <br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 21, 2021 4:59 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Hoyle, Larry <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:larryhoyle@ku.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:larryhoyle@ku.edu"><larryhoyle@ku.edu></a>; DDI Structural Reform Working Group.
<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ddi-srg@icpsr.umich.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:ddi-srg@icpsr.umich.edu"><ddi-srg@icpsr.umich.edu></a><br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DDI-SRG] [CDI] Questions about ControlledVocabularyEntry, PairedControlledVocabularyEntry and Reference</p>
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<p>Oh, I see what you mean. I'll fix that.</p>
<p>Ok, so vocabulary is a "Reference", not a "String". I'll fix that too.<br clear="none">
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Back to my last question: how is the use of "entryReference" and "entryValue" in the example different from "extent" and "term" in PairedControlledVocabulary?<br clear="none">
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Other questions:<br clear="none">
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- CatalogDetail: This structured data type has no definition, no subclasses and no structure. What is it? How can it be used in its current state?</p>
<p>- DataPoint: Why does it have now a catalogDetails attribute? Why DataPoint and not DataSet or other classes in Data Description? The use of CatalogDetails is unclear</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">On 2021-08-21 5:34 p.m., Hoyle, Larry wrote:</p>
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<div class="yiv7610018151yqt8401484237" id="yiv7610018151yqt96253"><p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">ControlledVocabularyEntry should be able to reference an entry outside of DDI. So that entryReference should be Reference, not Native Reference. It would be better to ditch the inheritance of ControlledVocabularyEntry from NativeControlledVocabularyEntry
and just have a separate ControlledVocabularyEntry with all of the properties it has below.</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">Here is an example.</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">vocabulary is a reference to <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcredit.niso.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Clarryhoyle%40ku.edu%7C2cc65b45ad514c59087e08d964f583da%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637651827913948113%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=A5gBJdcJR7eESx4%2FokMdXNGAqiWHMvLhRaxHcNz2tcw%3D&reserved=0">
http://credit.niso.org/</a> the Credit Taxonomy (via the uri of Reference)</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">controlledVocabularyName is “the Credit Taxonomy”</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">entryReference is <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcredit.niso.org%2Fcontributor-roles%2Fconceptualization%2F&data=04%7C01%7Clarryhoyle%40ku.edu%7C2cc65b45ad514c59087e08d964f583da%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637651827913958099%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=bbH%2Ffn7svFcrSJCnT3XkMQCSNScIp0hn5azxc8Q6gIM%3D&reserved=0">
http://credit.niso.org/contributor-roles/conceptualization/</a> </p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">entryValue is “Conceptualization”</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ddi-srg-bounces@icpsr.umich.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:ddi-srg-bounces@icpsr.umich.edu">
ddi-srg-bounces@icpsr.umich.edu</a> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ddi-srg-bounces@icpsr.umich.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:ddi-srg-bounces@icpsr.umich.edu">
<ddi-srg-bounces@icpsr.umich.edu></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Flavio Rizzolo<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 21, 2021 4:15 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> DDI Structural Reform Working Group. <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ddi-srg@icpsr.umich.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:ddi-srg@icpsr.umich.edu">
<ddi-srg@icpsr.umich.edu></a><br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> [DDI-SRG] [CDI] Questions about ControlledVocabularyEntry, PairedControlledVocabularyEntry and Reference</p>
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<p>Hi, </p>
<p>These are the new Native classes, with the old classes as extensions:</p>
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<p>We can always define attributes of type NativeControlledVocabularyEntry and NativeReference, which will allow us to use the full-fledged list of attributes from the sub-classes if necessary.
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<p>With that in mind:</p>
<p>1) shouldn't we then change the type of the attributes in PairedControlledVocabulary to NativeControlledVocabularyEntry?</p>
<p><img id="yiv7610018151Picture_x0020_2" border="0" width="355" height="174" style="width:3.7013in;min-height:1.8125in;" src="cid:TrzQ0zxfh0uzWGWCnox9" yahoo_partid="1.4"></p>
<p>2) What's exactly "vocabulary" in ControlledVocabularyEntry? How is it used?</p>
<p>3) Actually, how do we really use these things? I understand how the Native classes work, but now it seems Reference might be used to reference a term and an extent, like PairedControlledVocabularyEntry, but in a different way. I think there was an example
somewhere that help people made sense of all this, but I can't find it, and I fear we are making a mistake somewhere... So many cross references between classes are making me dizzy...</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Flavio</p></div>
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