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<p>This is Identifier with the right data types</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2021-08-22 4:15 a.m., Flavio Rizzolo
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<p>Ok.</p>
<p>BTW, I think I will just drop the idea of NativeReference as a
superclass of Reference, I don't think I can untangle Reference
and ControlledVocabularyEntry in any meaningful way, this
requires more thinking than the one it can be done before the
release. <br>
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<p>I just want a simple mechanism to reference an object and its
type. How about just using Identifier? It doesn't include the
type, but it's not necessary in the particular case of the
Process model since it can refer to any identifiable object. It
will be something like this:</p>
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<p>At this point I think it's either this or the full-fledged
Reference. <br>
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<p>Flavio<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2021-08-21 9:04 p.m., A. G. wrote:<br>
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<div> On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 03:03:04 AM GMT+2, Hoyle,
Larry <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">I think you are on
the right track with using Reference instead of
PairedControlledVocabularyEntry. Reference didn’t
exist when Activity was modeled.</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">standardModelUsed
with datatype Reference would have:</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">vocabulary as a
reference to GSBPM (<a rel="nofollow noopener
noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="https://statswiki.unece.org/display/GSBPM/GSBPM+v5.1"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://statswiki.unece.org/display/GSBPM/GSBPM+v5.1</a>)</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">controlledVocabuaryName
as “GSBPM”</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">entryValue as the
name of the sub step “1.1 Identify Needs”</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">entryReference as
a Reference to the sub step (<a rel="nofollow
noopener noreferrer" shape="rect"
target="_blank"
href="https://statswiki.unece.org/display/GSBPM/1.1+Identify+needs"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://statswiki.unece.org/display/GSBPM/1.1+Identify+needs</a>)</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
Flavio Rizzolo <a
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 21, 2021 5:46
PM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Hoyle, Larry <a
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DDI Structural Reform Working Group. <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DDI-SRG] [CDI]
Questions about ControlledVocabularyEntry,
PairedControlledVocabularyEntry and
Reference</p>
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<p>I saw the definition, it's just that it doesn't
seem to align with its use in Activity</p>
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<p>standardModelUsed is defined as </p>
<p><i>"If a standard process model such as The
Generic Statistical Business Process Model
(GSBPN), the Generic Longitudinal Business
Process Model (GLBPM), Open Archive
Information System model (OAIS), etc. has been
related to this business process, the model
and step or sub-step is noted here using the
Paired External Controlled Vocabulary Entry. <b><span
style="color:#0080FF;">Enter the name of
the model in "term" and the step,
sub-step, or specific portion of the model
in "extent"</span></b>.</i></p>
<p>That seems to align better with Reference than
with PairedControlledVocabularyEntry, since we
need to refer to a schema, e.g. "GSBPM", and
then to an element in the schema, e.g. "edit
& imputation". I don't see how to map
"GSBPM" to term and "edit & imputation" to
extent...</p>
<p>Flavio</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">On 2021-08-21
6:09 p.m., Hoyle, Larry wrote:</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">term is a
ControlledVocabularyEntry</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">extent is a
degree of the term. It has the description:</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">“Describes the
extent to which the parent term applies for
the specific case using an external controlled
vocabulary. When associated with a role from
the CASRAI Contributor Roles Taxonomy an
appropriate vocabulary should be specified as
either ‘lead’, ‘equal’, or ‘supporting’.”</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">In the example
from the Credit taxonomy one could be credited
as being the “lead” conceptualizer, or
“equal”, or “supporting”.</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"><a
rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer"
shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcredit.niso.org%2Fimplementing-credit%2F&data=04%7C01%7Clarryhoyle%40ku.edu%7C2cc65b45ad514c59087e08d964f583da%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637651827913948113%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=wkUlxIC%2Ffj%2FvcztAA3y5U76NBW4LV0C3AfWn6VY271E%3D&reserved=0"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://credit.niso.org/implementing-credit/</a></p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">This was done
to disambiguate the use of author order in
citing contributors. In some disciplines the
first author is the lead. In others the head
of a larger project might be listed last.</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">Larry</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 21, 2021
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<b>To:</b> Hoyle, Larry <a rel="nofollow
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DDI-SRG] [CDI]
Questions about ControlledVocabularyEntry,
PairedControlledVocabularyEntry and
Reference</p>
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<p>Oh, I see what you mean. I'll fix that.</p>
<p>Ok, so vocabulary is a "Reference", not a
"String". I'll fix that too.<br clear="none">
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Back to my last question: how is the use of
"entryReference" and "entryValue" in the
example different from "extent" and "term" in
PairedControlledVocabulary?<br clear="none">
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Other questions:<br clear="none">
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- CatalogDetail: This structured data type
has no definition, no subclasses and no
structure. What is it? How can it be used in
its current state?</p>
<p>- DataPoint: Why does it have now a
catalogDetails attribute? Why DataPoint and
not DataSet or other classes in Data
Description? The use of CatalogDetails is
unclear</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">On
2021-08-21 5:34 p.m., Hoyle, Larry wrote:</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">ControlledVocabularyEntry
should be able to reference an entry outside
of DDI. So that entryReference should be
Reference, not Native Reference. It would be
better to ditch the inheritance of
ControlledVocabularyEntry from
NativeControlledVocabularyEntry and just
have a separate ControlledVocabularyEntry
with all of the properties it has below.</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">Here is an
example.</p>
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<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">vocabulary
is a reference to <a rel="nofollow
noopener noreferrer" shape="rect"
target="_blank"
href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcredit.niso.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Clarryhoyle%40ku.edu%7C2cc65b45ad514c59087e08d964f583da%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637651827913948113%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=A5gBJdcJR7eESx4%2FokMdXNGAqiWHMvLhRaxHcNz2tcw%3D&reserved=0"
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http://credit.niso.org/</a> the Credit
Taxonomy (via the uri of Reference)</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">controlledVocabularyName
is “the Credit Taxonomy”</p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">entryReference
is <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer"
shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcredit.niso.org%2Fcontributor-roles%2Fconceptualization%2F&data=04%7C01%7Clarryhoyle%40ku.edu%7C2cc65b45ad514c59087e08d964f583da%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637651827913958099%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=bbH%2Ffn7svFcrSJCnT3XkMQCSNScIp0hn5azxc8Q6gIM%3D&reserved=0"
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http://credit.niso.org/contributor-roles/conceptualization/</a> </p>
<p class="yiv7610018151MsoNormal">entryValue
is “Conceptualization”</p>
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Questions about
ControlledVocabularyEntry,
PairedControlledVocabularyEntry and
Reference</p>
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<p>Hi, </p>
<p>These are the new Native classes, with the
old classes as extensions:</p>
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<p>We can always define attributes of type
NativeControlledVocabularyEntry and
NativeReference, which will allow us to use
the full-fledged list of attributes from the
sub-classes if necessary. </p>
<p>With that in mind:</p>
<p>1) shouldn't we then change the type of the
attributes in PairedControlledVocabulary to
NativeControlledVocabularyEntry?</p>
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<p>2) What's exactly "vocabulary" in
ControlledVocabularyEntry? How is it used?</p>
<p>3) Actually, how do we really use these
things? I understand how the Native classes
work, but now it seems Reference might be
used to reference a term and an extent, like
PairedControlledVocabularyEntry, but in a
different way. I think there was an example
somewhere that help people made sense of all
this, but I can't find it, and I fear we are
making a mistake somewhere... So many cross
references between classes are making me
dizzy...</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Flavio</p>
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